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Isaac Middle's avatar

I should have read this before I finished my Comments on your later article. You have essentially outlined why I prefer not to use Tropical Signs in general, given i am in the Southern Hemisphere. You might be right in saying that the Tropical Signs are independent of the seasons and are consistent across our Realm. But that's not what I seem to hear from mots Tropical Astrologers: the Signs and their characteristics are directly informed by the stage of the Sun in its cycle based on the Northern Hemisphere seasons.

So: is my Leo Stellium actually a Leo Stellium, symbolised as such with the Sun near the peak of its power, or am I an Aquarius because I was actually born downunder during the peak of Winter? I would like to think you are right, but if I am being logically consistent based on what I have been told by Tropical Astrology, I would actually have an Aquarius Stellium (which I am completely fine with anyway, and another reason why I basically CBF with Tropical outside of Mundane Astrology).

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josh's avatar

It is true that we commonly hear the association of seasons and the tropical zodiac.

Unfortunately, this is simply wrong. As in, factually incorrect. It frustrates me greatly, but it is very common and prevalent and I will do what I can to correct this because I think it is very important.

"the Signs and their characteristics are directly informed by the stage of the Sun in its cycle based on the Northern Hemisphere seasons."

I pointed this out in my other reply to you, but this an example of why words and their meanings are important. Yes, the sign characteristics are based on the stage of the Sun, but the point is that the stage of the Sun is the same for everyone everywhere. That stage creates different seasons, but that is based on your specific place; even the same hemisphere doesn't always have the same seasons.

The stage of the Sun is an important factor that creates the tropical zodiac and seasons, which is why I say zodiac and seasons are siblings. People make the mistakes of thinking seasons create the zodiac, but this is not how it works. As in, the true fact is that is not how it works. So these tropical astrologers are simply wrong in their facts.

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Isaac Middle's avatar

No arguments here. That's why I find the Tropical system as it is practiced logically inconsistent. But I think Tropical Astrologer will ultimately be judged on how well they can articulate the Planets and Houses, so i don't find those sort of things to be a deal breaker.

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